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Post by Jon Arambulo on May 17, 2009 11:42:55 GMT 8
hi guys!
been a long time since i got to visit our site... it's good to be home! hahaha..
anyway, was just informed that i'll be on the hot seat for bible study next saturday... prayed about what to do and realized that a few others might not be able to come (thus the thread title) so i'm bringing the message here for their benefit.
i was reading on John 6:52-65. the verses talks about how Jesus gives his life to us and HIS gift of salvation. it also talks about how we are chosen and how we can live in HIS spirit.
i have a few reflections on this and it also made me realize a lot of things specially how my relationship with Him is..
please read and please post what you think..
i'll be putting our site on my "favorites" menu.. hopefully it gets me to log in more! hahhaha...
Godspeed to everyone's week and hope to be seeing more of you through our forum..
-Jon
Guys, lets add verses from: John 6:66-69
thanks to Cruiserbyker for supplementing and completing what i overlooked when i started this thread.
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Post by elberttango on May 18, 2009 9:28:46 GMT 8
JOHN 6:52-65 (New International Version)
[/size]52Then the Jews began to argue sharply among themselves, "How can this man give us his flesh to eat?"
53Jesus said to them, "I tell you the truth, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. 54Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. 55For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink. 56Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in him. 57Just as the living Father sent me and I live because of the Father, so the one who feeds on me will live because of me. 58This is the bread that came down from heaven. Your forefathers ate manna and died, but he who feeds on this bread will live forever." 59He said this while teaching in the synagogue in Capernaum.
Many Disciples Desert Jesus
60On hearing it, many of his disciples said, "This is a hard teaching. Who can accept it?"
61Aware that his disciples were grumbling about this, Jesus said to them, "Does this offend you? 62What if you see the Son of Man ascend to where he was before! 63The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you are spirit[e] and they are life. 64Yet there are some of you who do not believe." For Jesus had known from the beginning which of them did not believe and who would betray him. 65He went on to say, "This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless the Father has enabled him."
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Post by Jon Arambulo on May 18, 2009 10:06:56 GMT 8
thanks for providing the verses Elbert!
ayan na, may reader na tayo
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Post by chippoy on May 18, 2009 14:33:34 GMT 8
Lalim parekoy! Di ko talaga ma-gets to this day, looking forward to your discussion sana this Saturday kaso I'll be spending the weekend with my family sa Zambales. Pa-post na lang after ng BS ha? hehehe, thanks.
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Post by ichthusemz on May 19, 2009 1:03:10 GMT 8
Lalim parekoy! Di ko talaga ma-gets to this day, looking forward to your discussion sana this Saturday kaso I'll be spending the weekend with my family sa Zambales. Pa-post na lang after ng BS ha? hehehe, thanks.
Aaaayyy.....ma mimiss ka namin!!
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Post by ichthusemz on May 19, 2009 2:44:39 GMT 8
hi guys! been a long time since i got to visit our site... it's good to be home! hahaha.. anyway, was just informed that i'll be on the hot seat for bible study next saturday... prayed about what to do and realized that a few others might not be able to come (thus the thread title) so i'm bringing the message here for their benefit. i was reading on John 6:52-65. the verses talks about how Jesus gives his life to us and HIS gift of salvation. it also talks about how we are chosen and how we can live in HIS spirit. i have a few reflections on this and it also made me realize a lot of things specially how my relationship with Him is.. please read and please post what you think.. i'll be putting our site on my "favorites" menu.. hopefully it gets me to log in more! hahhaha... Godspeed to everyone's week and hope to be seeing more of you through our forum.. -Jon
John 6:52-65
verse 52 - Flesh can't make a difference between fleshly eating, which is done by the help of the teeth & spiritual eating, which consists in faith and it condemns that which it does not understand so the truth must be preached and taught.
verse 53 -Eating his flesh is only expression for believing.
verse 56 - As our food becomes incorporated with ourselves, so Christ and those who eat His flesh and drink His blood become spiritually one life though personally distinct.
verse 65 - Given to those only who will receive it on God's own terms
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Post by Jon Arambulo on May 19, 2009 6:55:27 GMT 8
Lalim parekoy! Di ko talaga ma-gets to this day, looking forward to your discussion sana this Saturday kaso I'll be spending the weekend with my family sa Zambales. Pa-post na lang after ng BS ha? hehehe, thanks. you take care bro.. discussion? eto na yun! lets have our thoughts posted here for everyone to be able to learn each of our views. not everyone is able to attend saturdays so there are people who get left out. this way, everyone is updated and Bible study runs on each one's personal free time. what do you guys think? |
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Post by Jon Arambulo on May 19, 2009 7:07:12 GMT 8
John 6:52-65
verse 52 - Flesh can't make a difference between fleshly eating, which is done by the help of the teeth & spiritual eating, which consists in faith and it condemns that which it does not understand so the truth must be preached and taught.
verse 53 -Eating his flesh is only expression for believing.
verse 56 - As our food becomes incorporated with ourselves, so Christ and those who eat His flesh and drink His blood become spiritually one life though personally distinct.
verse 65 - Given to those only who will receive it on God's own terms
nice insight Ems! it's funny how Jesus' desciples thought he was going to offer his actual flesh! i guess, if i was there hearing Jesus speak i would have thought the same! hahaa.. so is the verse trying to say something to you or asking you to do or change anything? |
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Post by chippoy on May 19, 2009 9:55:50 GMT 8
Minsan nahihirapan talaga ako ispellingin si Jesus, masyado matalinhaga, tapos nung kapanahunan niya feeling ko 'pag nagtanong ka eh isasagot din sa iyo mas malalim pa kaya baka minsan nag-aalangan mga apostles niya to ask for the meaning of the things He just said. hehehe
Thank you sis ems for the brief explanation, but I have to be honest, why does Jesus really need to make example of eating His flesh and drinking His blood, what does it really symbolize? Flesh symbolizes solid food to nourish, meaning it would be His word that would feed our soul. I don't get the blood part, it's liquid, what does it mean?
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Post by Jon Arambulo on May 19, 2009 12:06:29 GMT 8
pasingit bro,
hindi ko alam kung bakit ganun sumagot lagi si Jesus pero sa aking lubos na pagkaintindi, yung pagkain ng flesh and blood nya ay simbolo ng pag tanggap natin ng kanyang sakripisyo.
inalay nya ang kanyang buong anyong tao para sa ating kaligtasan tulad ng mga ritual noong unang panahon na nag aalay sila ng mga walang bahid na hayop para rin humingi ng patawad sa ating Panginoon.
yun lang ay sa aking opinion at sigurado akong may mas maraming mas matinong sagot sa iyong katanungan! hehehe...
sana matisod din nila Mark, Roniel, Danny, at iba pang mas mature sa Faith nila ang thread na ito at mas lalong maliwanagan tayo sa diskusyon natin..
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hu U? hu ME? 
Chop Chop and Away!
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Post by carld on May 19, 2009 15:42:20 GMT 8
Very interesting discussion. I'm no Bible scholar and it's an effort to take apart the verse word for word to understand it exactly. I hope I can attend the Bible study this Saturday to join the discussion. |
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Post by chippoy on May 19, 2009 17:02:59 GMT 8
Very interesting discussion. I'm no Bible scholar and it's an effort to take apart the verse word for word to understand it exactly. I hope I can attend the Bible study this Saturday to join the discussion. |
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Post by Jon Arambulo on May 19, 2009 23:11:46 GMT 8
i too do not understand too much but still try to speak my mind... lets just let us all be led by His spirit!
thanks for chiming in Carl!
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Post by ichthusemz on May 19, 2009 23:45:07 GMT 8
Minsan nahihirapan talaga ako ispellingin si Jesus, masyado matalinhaga, tapos nung kapanahunan niya feeling ko 'pag nagtanong ka eh isasagot din sa iyo mas malalim pa kaya baka minsan nag-aalangan mga apostles niya to ask for the meaning of the things He just said. hehehe
Thank you sis ems for the brief explanation, but I have to be honest, why does Jesus really need to make example of eating His flesh and drinking His blood, what does it really symbolize? Flesh symbolizes solid food to nourish, meaning it would be His word that would feed our soul. I don't get the blood part, it's liquid, what does it mean?
Key verses in the chapter:
by Pastor Joey Reyes
John 6:25-71. context is people were running after Jesus, BECAUSE THEY WANTED FREE MEALS. sinita sila ni Lord (v.26).
Jesus then redirects their attention to the importance of spiritual nourishment/life instead of physical needs.[/b] |
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Post by ichthusemz on May 19, 2009 23:48:00 GMT 8
Wait lang po may continuation pa yan....pati ako nose bleed na kay Lord kaya PHONE A FRIEND NA KO...Buti na lang kapareho nating etong 24hours online..hahahhaha
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Post by ichthusemz on May 19, 2009 23:59:23 GMT 8
JONH 6:52-56
KEY VERSES IN THE CHAPTER
John 6:25-71. context is people were running after Jesus, BECAUSE THEY WANTED FREE MEALS. sinita sila ni Lord (v.26).
Jesus then redirects their attention to the importance of spiritual nourishment/life instead of physical needs.
Jesus offers a contrast: MANNA FROM HEAVEN during moses' time, satisfied the people's physical hunger (and yet they died anyway), while Jesus, THE HEAVENLY BREAD, offers eternal life to those who partake (receive him/believe him/put their faith in him) v.35.
Eating his flesh', is yes, another way of saying that only through believing in him will a person live forever.
Malalim na paliwanagan ito, sayang, sana dito kayo para pag-usapan. just concentrate on the idea of the chapter - don't isolate the words. take the whole idea.
(from Pastographer Joey Reyes)
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Post by Jon Arambulo on May 20, 2009 14:38:49 GMT 8
"John 6:25-71. context is people were running after Jesus, BECAUSE THEY WANTED FREE MEALS. sinita sila ni Lord (v.26). "
this explains a lot! haahha
good job Emz! this one really draws the line and shows where Jesus' statements came from. turns out that he was not out there to freak people out but to give them a timely analogy that's inline with their actual purpose for comming. free meals.
in comparison though, that is what they got. a free meal to everlasting life!
nice discussion we're having here guys! keep them comming!
hope Mark, Jeff and the others get to post here too!
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Post by ichthusemz on May 20, 2009 16:54:49 GMT 8
Kuya Jon,
"hope Mark, Jeff and the others get to post here too!"
Sinend ko na yung link skanila....
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Post by elberttango on May 23, 2009 12:01:52 GMT 8
Nicely done, FaithRiders.
MANNA from heaven nourishes our bodies.
Jesus Christ's flesh and blood nourishes our spirit.
Amen.
But let me share to you what's on my mind. Supposed you lived in those times. That particular time and John chapter 6 was happening right before your eyes. Jesus was saying "I am the bread of life. He who comes to me will never go hungry, and he who believes in me will never be thirsty" (v.35). I honestly will say too that "this is hard teaching, who can accept it?" (v.60). Here is a man, how can I eat this man's flesh and drink his blood. Will you make me a murderer and make God's wrath befall on me?
By this time, I think Jesus has not made known to his disciples what was his mission on earth. To be given to men and crucified. In fact the Jews wanted to make Jesus king by force (v.15).
I would say the Jews and even the disciples did not give Jesus their 100% trust before Jesus Christ's ressurection and if I were in their place I would not have given Jesus my 100% trust too. Jesus even predicted Peter's Denial (John 13:38). Then after Jesus was arrested, all the disciples deserted him and fled (Matthew 26:56).
Understanding Jesus Christ's death and ressurection will give a very clear picture about Jesus Christ's flesh and blood being offered to us to eat. Sadly on that particular moment, it was indeed very unclear even to the disciples. But Jesus understood the situation.
Jesus gave them a question "Does this teaching offend you? What if you see the Son of Man ascend to where he was before?" (v.61-62).
FaithRiders, we now know that Jesus indeed ascended to where he was before. Accepting Jesus's flesh and blood is accepting what he did on calvary and this accepting this teaching is what nourishes our spirit.
Anyone of us who is not 100% sure of going to heaven must first "witness" Christ's death and ressurection and ascension. Please read these verses found in Luke 24:36-53.
At this time only did Jesus opened their minds to understand the scriptures (v.45).
No, I did not actually saw Jesus's death, ressurection, and ascension. But I feel more blessed because after being told of this story many years ago, I believed and accepted this bread, this flesh and blood. and have faith that it will make me live forever.
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cruiserbyker
ADIK ako mag-post!!
Loving God... above all
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Post by cruiserbyker on May 23, 2009 12:36:44 GMT 8
Ooooooooops! antagal na pala nito, ngayon ko lang nakita.  great discussion. "hard teaching" nga ito... but what i like best sa passage na ito was left out by the given text. Why papa jon?  he he pansinin nyo naman kung gaano kaganda!  John 6:66-69 66 From this time many of his disciples turned back and no longer followed him. 67 "You do not want to leave too, do you?" Jesus asked the Twelve. 68 Simon Peter answered him, "Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life. 69 We believe and know that you are the Holy One of God." |
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